Curse

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Well Anet doesnt own guildwars anymore ncsoft does for one thing... lol heh..

iirc, NCSoft always sponsored ANet, and therefore had rights to GW, but never owned it. If NCSoft goes out of business or gets bought out, as long as ANet gets a new sponsor, nothing happens with GW. Also, ANet decides what goes on with GW, afaik, NCSoft just collects the profits, pays ANet staff, and handles the merchandising.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

All im saying is leave the luxion and the kurzick titles alone I mean the ones that you actually have to do something other then standing around for hours.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! The one you DON'T stand around for hours? HELLO! Does HFFF ring a bell? Kurzick/Luxon, Lucky/Unlucky, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animals are the ones you stand around doing nothing. The other things you do thing, just repeating the same over and over.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Make them shorter by all means go for it. Pay less for your sugar title woot woot lol heh... less money for drunkard title yesSssss lol ... even mess around with the treasure hunter less money for keys that makes everyone happy but by all means do not mess with the kurzick luxion, norn, asura, hoh, gladtior, and so on.

So reduce the titles that cost money, but don't reduce the titles that do more grinding (and some that give money) and also take about 100x longer. Brilliant.

But the funny thing is you are first "don't touch any titles!" and now your "go ahead and make them shorter, just don't touch the titles that have the biggest grind."

Honestly, if you are arguing against reducing grind just because you like grind, just make several characters and grind the stuff on them if you refuse to accept it.

And if you are arguing against the (very poor) benefits some titles have, just get over it. If someone wants a EN armor set, they just have to do the game once and they got Delver at r5 and any one other at r6 via book.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

If you dont like dont do it no one is forcing you no one is holding a gun to your head. Ive never played wow before ive been playing guildwars since the first week it came out in stores

No one will be forcing you to play GW with less grinding, if that is what you want. If you like grinding you can play another game. If you like GW's gameplay/story, then you shouldn't really care about grinding.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

The titles isnt even grinding if you want to see real grinding go to 2 moons cap there is 150 for highest lvl

Titles in general are not grinding, but the reputation titles and the other titles you mentioned above (besides Hero) are mostly grind. As I said myself, they can be done mostly without grinding *about 3/4 done, excluding Luxon/Kurzick*, but they are still grinding. And I'll pass on looking at 2 moons, it may have more grinding, but the half the titles in GW can be considered grinding, especially Kurzick/Luxon.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

I am not one to have a "e whatever" either I usually keep to myself in the game farm and sale stuff do missions and what not like everyone else. I dont call anyone noob or what not either seems like one dude been partying with the wrong people lol heh...

Sadly, the majority of players now flash around FoW armor and Chaos Gloves, rank people with poor Hero emotes, and other stuff proclaiming an e-peen. I don't need to party with them to see them in towns. And I H/H or do things with guildies everything to try to avoid these people. The only times I pug is when I want to laugh -to myself of course- at how much pugs suck.

I think most people here can say that GW, now, has a majority of the people being jerks with e-peens. I've seen my fair share for all my attempts to avoid them.

slowerpoke · Oct 02, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

guildwars was better without titles
things have gone down hill since prophecies

MirkoTeran · Oct 02, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

I still find if funny when people use the word grind with GH. Go play your generic asian MMORPG to see what grind is. GW is not even at 1% of that.

Burst Cancel · Oct 02, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

GW is only better without titles because some of those titles actually have in-game effects.

I don't see why they'd reduce grind on titles that don't actually do anything though. If you're going for something like Unlucky, you're doing it entirely by choice, knowing full well what it takes, and knowing full well that all you'll get out of it is a bit of text below your name and a lengthier e-peen if you happen to care about that kind of thing. Same goes for stuff like Drunkard et al. - they're time+money sinks. The entire point is to make people grind them, as there's nothing else to those titles.

Winterclaw · Oct 02, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Compared to what GW was, particularly before NF, yes GW has too much grind.

daze · Oct 02, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Honestly, the only title i can think of that is "Grind mandatory" is Legendary Defender of Ascalon

All other titles seem to be obtainable while questing, participating in events, vanquishing and so forth. The only thing wrong with a few of the other titles is they just take a loooong time.

And i really hope that the EotN titles arent cut. Asura, Norn, Deld, Vanguard are all tracks that offer high rewards when you get high rank. High rewards = Powerful PVE skillz. These titles didnt really take too long to max, and they are not near as outrageously long as some of the other titles. I actually think those titles are fair. I would like to see the multiple rockshot outside doomlore become available again. I miss taking 7 guildies, each getting in a rockshot and going out to blow shtt up. It was therapeutic.

Kakumei · Oct 02, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

I were there

the game were PLAYED

nobody made fun of each other for not wearing elite, pugs were much more successful, conquering a mission were cause for celebration. NM- or classic mode were actually harder. nobody were calling each other noob or gtfo, or other various nasty stuff. people would actually help each other out with quests, not stating, "wiki it and grab some H/H and do it yourself, I'm busy farming " it were an excellent game, SF were a awesome add on dungeon. I remember nobody could finish it because it were hard.

rotscale in Sanctum Cay mish were a hoot, we killed him so many times until they moved him to southern shiverpeaks and gave him a elite.

now that WERE a game you could come back to!

nowdays it's all about "Title Wars"!

Not a single word of this is accurate. Do you even play this game?

daze · Oct 02, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

i also read on her talk page something about raseing the faction cap for kuzick and luxon.

HAAAAA I know that probably wasn't a troll, but it sure sounded like one.

daze · Oct 02, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

I were there

the game were PLAYED

nobody made fun of each other for not wearing elite, pugs were much more successful, conquering a mission were cause for celebration. NM- or classic mode were actually harder. nobody were calling each other noob or gtfo, or other various nasty stuff. people would actually help each other out with quests, not stating, "wiki it and grab some H/H and do it yourself, I'm busy farming " it were an excellent game, SF were a awesome add on dungeon. I remember nobody could finish it because it were hard.

rotscale in Sanctum Cay mish were a hoot, we killed him so many times until they moved him to southern shiverpeaks and gave him a elite.

now that WERE a game you could come back to!

nowdays it's all about "Title Wars"!

I agree, However you just painted a picture of guildwars when it was less than a year old. It hasn't been like that for a looong time. I do miss the old days though, when the [air of superiority] "leet" player who would give you a hard time for not running his build on a mission was few and far between. And when "noobs" were only persecuted and chastised 10% of the time instead of 90%
Now a days Guild wars is a shark tank and the "noobs" are swimmers with scraped knees.

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

GW is only better without titles because some of those titles actually have in-game effects.

I don't see why they'd reduce grind on titles that don't actually do anything though. If you're going for something like Unlucky, you're doing it entirely by choice, knowing full well what it takes, and knowing full well that all you'll get out of it is a bit of text below your name and a lengthier e-peen if you happen to care about that kind of thing. Same goes for stuff like Drunkard et al. - they're time+money sinks. The entire point is to make people grind them, as there's nothing else to those titles.

Yea, thats basically what im saying and getting my head chopped off. You arent getting anything from it no one is forcing you to do it why reduce it. If you beat the game and all you have is farming and pvp left. Why reduce the only thing you are able to do. that actually involves you playing the game lol...

DarkNecrid · Oct 02, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Not a single word of this is accurate. Do you even play this game?

uh yes it is.

that is accurate for what prophecies was back when it was released.

did YOU even play the game back then?

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

iirc, NCSoft always sponsored ANet, and therefore had rights to GW, but never owned it. If NCSoft goes out of business or gets bought out, as long as ANet gets a new sponsor, nothing happens with GW. Also, ANet decides what goes on with GW, afaik, NCSoft just collects the profits, pays ANet staff, and handles the merchandising.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! The one you DON'T stand around for hours? HELLO! Does HFFF ring a bell? Kurzick/Luxon, Lucky/Unlucky, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animals are the ones you stand around doing nothing. The other things you do thing, just repeating the same over and over.

So reduce the titles that cost money, but don't reduce the titles that do more grinding (and some that give money) and also take about 100x longer. Brilliant.

But the funny thing is you are first "don't touch any titles!" and now your "go ahead and make them shorter, just don't touch the titles that have the biggest grind."

Honestly, if you are arguing against reducing grind just because you like grind, just make several characters and grind the stuff on them if you refuse to accept it.

And if you are arguing against the (very poor) benefits some titles have, just get over it. If someone wants a EN armor set, they just have to do the game once and they got Delver at r5 and any one other at r6 via book.

No one will be forcing you to play GW with less grinding, if that is what you want. If you like grinding you can play another game. If you like GW's gameplay/story, then you shouldn't really care about grinding.

Titles in general are not grinding, but the reputation titles and the other titles you mentioned above (besides Hero) are mostly grind. As I said myself, they can be done mostly without grinding *about 3/4 done, excluding Luxon/Kurzick*, but they are still grinding. And I'll pass on looking at 2 moons, it may have more grinding, but the half the titles in GW can be considered grinding, especially Kurzick/Luxon.

Sadly, the majority of players now flash around FoW armor and Chaos Gloves, rank people with poor Hero emotes, and other stuff proclaiming an e-peen. I don't need to party with them to see them in towns. And I H/H or do things with guildies everything to try to avoid these people. The only times I pug is when I want to laugh -to myself of course- at how much pugs suck.

I think most people here can say that GW, now, has a majority of the people being jerks with e-peens. I've seen my fair share for all my attempts to avoid them.

yea, I try to do the samething. I guess we wont know what happens until it happend. I try to adapt to everything they do. Just they been nerfing all the stuff that has been fun for quite awhile. I just cant see why they would nerf something that has no benefit to begin with. This game has been out for years im sure you have beat everything and most of the people here have. I mean the only thing left basically is farming and pvping and the titles ... I mean once its gone its gone.

daze · Oct 02, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Why reduce the only thing you are able to do. that actually involves you playing the game lol...

Because you already bought the game and gave GW their money. Now all you do is take up their bandwidth.

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by daze

Because you already bought the game and gave GW their money. Now all you do is take up their bandwidth.

lol so give me your money and get out???

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by daze

HAAAAA I know that probably wasn't a troll, but it sure sounded like one.

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Originally Posted by Linsey

Since I don't want to really mess with the actual numbers of the Luxon/Kurzick titles, I think the ways in which you gain faction need to become more lucrative. Having such a low faction cap is going to make it difficult to really increase the rate of faction gain; having various ways for players to increase their faction cap is in my opinion, necessary. - Linsey talk 05:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, not a troll.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Yea, thats basically what im saying and getting my head chopped off. You arent getting anything from it no one is forcing you to do it why reduce it. If you beat the game and all you have is farming and pvp left. Why reduce the only thing you are able to do. that actually involves you playing the game lol...

You are arguing for no reducing of grind on the two biggest grind titles other then Hero, Champion, and Gladiator (if you consider PvP titles grinding). And Kurzick/Luxon do give benefits, it's just in the form of the PvE-Only skills. If you beat the game, there are the non-grind titles to do, reducing what you do, yes, but reducing the parts that are boring and I would hope, most sane people avoid.

And I'm not trying to chop your head off, if I was, I'd bring a sword

. I'm just disagreeing with your view of the need for grinding.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Just they been nerfing all the stuff that has been fun for quite awhile. I just cant see why they would nerf something that has no benefit to begin with. This game has been out for years im sure you have beat everything and most of the people here have. I mean the only thing left basically is farming and pvping and the titles ... I mean once its gone its gone.

I pity those who find grinding and repetitive farming fun. I'd be caught naked in a gay strip joint before endlessly doing something that is the same thing over... and over... and over... and over again. I have beaten almost everything, I'm halfway done with the HM stuff and got the *bleh* grinding titles to do to reach GWAMM to satisfy my boredom *not like the grinding will help much* because I can't find a new game to play that looks interesting. Oh, and I still need to do Deep/Urgoz >.<

I don't like grinding, I try to avoid it, so I work on the non-grinding titles, and after that idk if I will move to the grinding titles. I'll probably just stop on my sin and work on my other characters... (My necro could use GWAMM too... hmmm, oh the possibilities without actually grinding).

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

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Yeah, not a troll.

You are arguing for no reducing of grind on the two biggest grind titles other then Hero, Champion, and Gladiator (if you consider PvP titles grinding). And Kurzick/Luxon do give benefits, it's just in the form of the PvE-Only skills. If you beat the game, there are the non-grind titles to do, reducing what you do, yes, but reducing the parts that are boring and I would hope, most sane people avoid.

And I'm not trying to chop your head off, if I was, I'd bring a sword

. I'm just disagreeing with your view of the need for grinding.

I pity those who find grinding and repetitive farming fun. I'd be caught naked in a gay strip joint before endlessly doing something that is the same thing over... and over... and over... and over again. I have beaten almost everything, I'm halfway done with the HM stuff and got the *bleh* grinding titles to do to reach GWAMM to satisfy my boredom *not like the grinding will help much* because I can't find a new game to play that looks interesting. Oh, and I still need to do Deep/Urgoz >.<

I don't like grinding, I try to avoid it, so I work on the non-grinding titles, and after that idk if I will move to the grinding titles. I'll probably just stop on my sin and work on my other characters... (My necro could use GWAMM too... hmmm, oh the possibilities without actually grinding).

I miss doing the deep... I use to do that like 4 times a day but I havent played in awhile and when I got back someone told me no one does that anymore so I never really checked it out. It would be cool if they made the norn and stuff like that for every charchter then indviually same thing with keys and stuff thats what they really need to do is make the titles for every charchter and that itself would cut down the grinding...

daze · Oct 02, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

lol so give me your money and get out???

precisely!

Am i too jaded?

DarkNecrid · Oct 02, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...ions_is_broken

So she's thinking about reworking the Challenge Missions, which is neat.

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Also

"Since I don't want to really mess with the actual numbers of the Luxon/Kurzick titles, I think the ways in which you gain faction need to become more lucrative. Having such a low faction cap is going to make it difficult to really increase the rate of faction gain; having various ways for players to increase their faction cap is in my opinion, necessary. - Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 05:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC) "

Scary · Oct 02, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

guildwars was better without titles
things have gone down hill since prophecies

Dont blame the titles, if you dont want them dont get them.
And it is a fact that there are guild that are getting titles together.
So for playing together it hasnt be to bad

bungusmaximus · Oct 02, 2008, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Rework for kurzick/luxon titles? at r8 I really stopped caring because I wanna do something else next to AB for hours

. The amount of faction you need is )*(*)!!!! insane. Seriously, If I would HA on a regular basis I would rise in the ranks faster.

But it's not that I care that much about titles to begin with. Bigger faction cap at high kurz/lux rank would be fantastic though. The balthazar cap was one of the main reasons to get myself a glad rank. I like titles to actually 'do' something.